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Post by Martin Alvendia on Feb 3, 2008 15:08:48 GMT
Went to Trece Martires with JP this morning. After going through the uncooperative weather, we decided to go home when a pair of these playful birds caught our eye. We then spent the whole afternoon trying to chase them to get an ID......this is the closest we could get.... Taken in Trece Martires, Cavite, could our experts help us ID if this is an Ashy Drongo? Many thanks in advance.
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Post by Martin Alvendia on Feb 3, 2008 15:11:18 GMT
Tail View:
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Post by Eric Patdu on Feb 3, 2008 16:29:34 GMT
Looks like a balicassiao. I am a little puzzled on the whitish belly though.
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Post by Romy Ocon on Feb 3, 2008 21:29:01 GMT
Hmmm... this bird is a bit odd, Martin - its body and tail look too long for a Balicassiao, plus it lacks the frontal crest. It certainly resembles an Ashy Drongo, which is supposed to range only in Palawan and some nearby islands. Could this be a new range record for the AD? Let's wait for Steve for an authoritative analysis. Nice catch!
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Post by JP Cariño on Feb 3, 2008 23:38:21 GMT
could it be the crow billed variant?
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Post by Bobby Kintanar on Feb 4, 2008 1:00:21 GMT
It does look like an Ashy Drongo, save for the belly area which shows whitish blotches. Here's a couple of pix to compare this with: The beak seems to be a bit stouter on Martin's bird as well.
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Post by JP Cariño on Feb 4, 2008 1:04:45 GMT
i agree bobby with the difference with the beaks. it was such a sight to see the couple harassing a male kestrel yesterday
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Post by Bobby Kintanar on Feb 4, 2008 2:48:28 GMT
And here is the backside of the bird:
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Post by Neon Rosell II on Feb 4, 2008 3:38:31 GMT
Hi JP / Martin, It looks like the Crow-Billed Drongo ( Dicrurus annectans), The white spots from breast to vent is indicative of first winter plumage. Let's go back and hunt it down!! The only 3 records were in Jolo and Tawi-tawi. Hope I'm right and we have a new record for this part of the country. I want to go there!!! Cheers, Neon
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Post by Adri Constantino on Feb 4, 2008 4:36:22 GMT
Hi JP,
Looks like a Balicassiao to me. The beak and tail is of a balicassiao's. Hmm, I wonder about the whitish tinge in the belly though.
Adri
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Post by Adri Constantino on Feb 4, 2008 5:12:45 GMT
Also,
The Ashy Drongo has been recorded in Mt. Makiling by Arnel Telesforo and company. It has been incorporated in WBCP records.
Adri
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Post by Romy Ocon on Feb 4, 2008 7:39:38 GMT
Let the hunt for the Cavite Drongo begin!!!
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Post by Martin Alvendia on Feb 4, 2008 12:18:07 GMT
Not sure if it helps....but here's the bird displaying its wingspan
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Post by steve pryor on Feb 4, 2008 13:36:13 GMT
Martin, The Dicrurus: this is only a tentative ID, and I have to check it and refer about it (i.e., have it confirmed). Not balicassius; not leucophaeus; not annectans (I don't like the bill conformation, nor the tail for this species); not hottentottus - not known to range here anyway where the supposedly extinct race cuyensis would be geographically the closest. So, tentatively, and since I can also discern a white rictal maculum, for the tail shape and for the bill conformation - my best tentative guess, and I underline tentative, would be a first winter (by the way, in many Drongids the ventral and belly spottiness is usually an indication of immaturity) Dicrurus macrocercus. If this may be true, the most probable race would be cathoecus. However, keep in mind that this is in no way a definitive ID. It must be checked out by others. Another thing, before somebody starts getting all excited - if a Black Drongo, it would not be a new Country Record! EDIT: This might be the closest photo on OBI: www.orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=11&action=searchresult&Bird_ID=2228&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1A mention should probably be made of the persistance or not of the white rictal maculum. Generally can be seen in immature forms of cathoecus, but may or may not be evident in the adult. It usually persists in the adult in some of the other races, e.g., albirictus, minor, etc.
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Post by Romy Ocon on Feb 4, 2008 14:03:13 GMT
Jesus, Mary and Joseph......a tentative Black Drongo!!! It only takes one single, lone, solitary capture of a rarity to push one over the edge. Congrats Martin, and welcome brother to the inner circle. I now pronounce you wild bird photographer and certified birdnut for life! A quick google search yields the following photos of this bird: Immature - first pic at top left en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_drongoAdults(?) www.whiteheadimages.com/stock/v/Birds/birdsofthailand3413.jpg.htmlMartin, The Dicrurus: this is only a tentative ID, and I have to check it and refer about it (i.e., have it confirmed). Not balicassius; not leucophaeus; not annectans (I don't like the bill conformation, nor the tail for this species); not hottentottus - not known to range here anyway where the supposedly extinct race cuyensis would be geographically the closest. So, tentatively, and since I can also discern a white rictal maculum, for the tail shape and for the bill conformation - my best tentative guess, and I underline tentative, would be a first winter (by the way, in many Drongids the ventral and belly spottiness is usually an indication of immaturity) Dicrurus macrocercus. If this may be true, the most probable race would be cathoecus. However, keep in mind that this is in no way a definitive ID. It must be checked out by others. Another thing, before somebody starts getting all excited - if a Black Drongo, it would not be a new Country Record!
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Post by Neon Rosell II on Feb 4, 2008 14:12:00 GMT
Woohoo!! Got it!! Black Drongo!! (Dicrurus macrocercus)From Thailand ;D Cheers, Neon
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Post by Romy Ocon on Feb 4, 2008 14:25:53 GMT
Mwuahaha.... I was about to type "wow, that was fast, Neon!".... then I noticed that it was from Tuk-tukland. ;D Woohoo!! Got it!! Black Drongo!! (Dicrurus macrocercus)From Thailand ;D Cheers, Neon
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Post by Neon Rosell II on Feb 4, 2008 14:40:43 GMT
Mwuahaha.... I was about to type "wow, that was fast, Neon!".... then I noticed that it was from Tuk-tukland. ;D Woohoo!! Got it!! Black Drongo!! (Dicrurus macrocercus)From Thailand ;D Cheers, Neon Just for practice only!! I just remembered I was able to take a Black Drongo pic back in 2007 from Thailand. ;D Cheers, Neon
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Post by JP Cariño on Feb 4, 2008 16:48:48 GMT
hope this helps also
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Post by Martin Alvendia on Feb 4, 2008 16:52:01 GMT
Thanks Steve for the info....will wait then for your final analysis.
Thanks Romy for the "blessing." Although credit should also be given to JP, whose Bird Nuttiness is very contagious!
Neon, I'll use your pics as inspiration when we go for another try on this couple! Haha!
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