Doves of La Mesa for ID

[Toto Gamboa]

Hi guys .. almost deleted the following images thinking these are very long shots of zebra doves.



Violet upper back indicates that the above image is an Amethyst Brown-Dove?

I am guessing the following pics are red-turtle doves. Is this correct?





Thanks in advance for the ID

[steve pryor]

First photo: Phapitreron leucotis
Second two photos: Streptopelia tranquebarica

leucotis respect to amethystina - amethystina has a longer, flatter head (leucotis's head is rounded), a longer, more massive bill, the periocular skin tends to be greyish, or bluish, and not the decidedly lavender purple color of amethystina. The crissum (i.e., the undertail coverts + the vent area) of leucotis is whitish (as is seen here), while that of amethystina is sort of brownish or tan. The colored nape collar is present in both species in the adults - tends to be a sort of blue in leucotis and the collar in leucotis is much less extensive than the noticeably purple collar of amethystina. The above is intended as being applied only to the races of these two birds on Luzon. There are race differences elsewhere that can change the descriptions.

[Toto Gamboa]

Thanks steve for the correct IDs