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Post by Sylvia Ramos on Nov 19, 2009 12:49:45 GMT
This was taken last weekend in Coron, Palawan. It's a small bird, and I'm assuming it's some kind of flycatcher.  |
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Post by steve pryor on Nov 19, 2009 15:37:56 GMT
Bookmarking, will look later.
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Post by Adri Constantino on Nov 20, 2009 0:13:34 GMT
Hi Sylvia. I am not sure but I think it is an Asian Brown Flycatcher. Do you have shots showing the back?
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Post by steve pryor on Nov 20, 2009 8:09:31 GMT
Hi Sylvia. I am not sure but I think it is an Asian Brown Flycatcher. Do you have shots showing the back? I agree. By the way, not recorded as far as I know from Busuanga. We don't need other photos. Only two possibles with a visible eye-ring, and this one has one. They are sibirica, and dauurica. Too much white throat showing to be sibirica (which also tends to have visible submoustachials), which also has more breast "blotchiness" on the breast insertion and on the flanks (dauurica rather than being blotchy on the breast, has a diffused "wash"). Therefore, by elimination, and by what can be seen of the gross morphology, dauurica. |
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Post by Sylvia Ramos on Nov 20, 2009 11:59:47 GMT
Thank you Adri and Steve! Steve -- thank you for the description of how you were able to get the id, it was very informative.  |
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Post by Sylvia Ramos on Dec 5, 2009 15:44:43 GMT
Hi, here's an update on the ID of this bird:
I submitted a trip report to WBCP and Des Allen, the person who approves the trip report did not accept the Asian Brown Flycatcher id. He said, "I think it is a female Blue-and-white flycatcher. Structurally it looks all wrong for a small muscicapa. It does not show a yellow base to the lower mandible, the bill looks the wrong shape, the body too big in relation to the head, the brown on the breast is the wrong pattern, the eyering is yellowish rather than white." In another email he also said, "I can't ID this as an Asian Brown, there are too many things wrong, although it may be. Another is the lack of pale lores."
Des sent the picture to Phil Round for id. According to Des, Phil Round knows flycatchers very well and is the author of Birds of Thailand. Phil Round said, "'I agree with you. This is not an Asian Brown Flycatcher. No prominent broad pale base to lower mandible. Bill shape not broad and flattened enough. Lack of a clear malar stripe.No extensive, duffuse loral patch. Clear distinction between whitish throat and brownish wash on breast is wrong. Most likely female Narcissus, perhaps?"
So, both Des and Phil agree that this is not an Asian Brown Flycatcher. Phil thinks it might be a Narcissus, but Des still thinks it's a female Blue and White.
Sylvia
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Post by steve pryor on Dec 6, 2009 10:48:44 GMT
Well, I will review this again keeping in mind the input of both Des, and Phil, both with great experience in bird identification. This may be another case, and they do happen, in which true consensus is not possible for the quality of the photos, and the lack of multiple views. It is not always possible to give definitive ID's from photos.
Just as an example, all of the photos that have been coming out of this site lately, from more than one location, that for the most part are most likely Phylloscopus borealis in spite of the evident yellowness of certain body zones. I am still attempting to find more photos of cebuensis, and also searching for other borealis photos having yellowness.
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