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Post by mantarey on Oct 23, 2010 1:29:59 GMT
But a question does pop up Romy. If you and I are using IPS panels that are calibrated often enough to reduce drift what about those using TN panels (99% of all LCDs in the Philippines) and do not calibrate. Not to mention how Windows and Macs render colors & color profiles differently. Others not having the same calibrated LCD panel would not see what we did properly. Yes, viewers with TN, consumer CRT and/or uncalibrated screens will see our work much differently. Most TN panels are delivered with very bright factory defaults, hence users of these would see my photos as too bright. We can't avoid the fact that not all viewers in the net will see our photos similarly. But we take satisfaction in the knowledge that our fellow bird photogs (especially at sites like Naturescapes, where most are into color management) would see our work as we intended such to be viewed. Printing for us will be easier as well. Likewise, clients who might be interested in our work normally have color-managed systems so they'll also appreciate our PP. Okay, you got me convinced. I guess this is the next investment to make our photos better in terms of accuracy in post processing work. Nature photography really demands so much even to the point of perfection . Oh well, we'll all get there somehow in the future, I just hope it won't take another lifetime.
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Post by ppaaoolloo on Oct 23, 2010 1:39:51 GMT
Most TN panels are delivered with very bright factory defaults, hence users of these would see my photos as too bright. For those who may not be aware LCD & computer makers set their LCD & plasma displays on very bright and very high contrast for store display purposes. I guess a eye squinting computer or TV screen will result in more sales. ;D During JP and Martin's Bird Photo Talk a few weekends ago I brought my Dell U2711, Macbook Pro and Spyder3Pro to demonstrate how color calibration is done. For those looking to not go through the hassle of importing and want a Mac-specific solution Apple sells LED-backlit IPS displays at www.apple.com/displays/ and the current iMacs sport LED-backlit IPS displays as well www.apple.com/imac/All Macs sold today uses mini DisplayPorts so if you buy the Apple Display or iMac you dont have to import a mini DisplayPort to DVI or VGA cable.
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Post by mantarey on Oct 25, 2010 13:43:05 GMT
Bought myself a birthday gift, the AOC IF23.
Wow, all I can say is that the difference is like night and day. My photos suddenly became alive with so much clarity and more details. The color reproduction looks so much better and more vibrant.
Can't stop browsing through my flickr account, my photos look like it has been reprocessed. Hehe the good ones looks a lot better but the so so captures became worse because the problems gets magnified.
And I got it at a better price, PHP8,900.00 only.
I highly recommend upgrading to an IPS monitor, you'll be surprised with the huge difference.
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Post by Romy Ocon on Oct 25, 2010 14:28:26 GMT
Bought myself a birthday gift, the AOC IF23. Wow, all I can say is that the difference is like night and day. My photos suddenly became alive with so much clarity and more details. The color reproduction looks so much better and more vibrant. Can't stop browsing through my flickr account, my photos look like it has been reprocessed. Hehe the good ones looks a lot better but the so so captures became worse because the problems gets magnified. And I got it at a better price, PHP8,900.00 only. I highly recommend upgrading to an IPS monitor, you'll be surprised with the huge difference. Hehe.... congrats and happy birthday, Rey! Now, all you need to do is have it calibrated and profiled.
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Post by mantarey on Oct 25, 2010 15:44:15 GMT
Bought myself a birthday gift, the AOC IF23. Wow, all I can say is that the difference is like night and day. My photos suddenly became alive with so much clarity and more details. The color reproduction looks so much better and more vibrant. Can't stop browsing through my flickr account, my photos look like it has been reprocessed. Hehe the good ones looks a lot better but the so so captures became worse because the problems gets magnified. And I got it at a better price, PHP8,900.00 only. I highly recommend upgrading to an IPS monitor, you'll be surprised with the huge difference. Hehe.... congrats and happy birthday, Rey! Now, all you need to do is have it calibrated and profiled. Hehe it's almost 12:00 midnight and I can't stop looking at your previous postings. The "Back in Circulation" images was so incredible to me that I was actually giggling in amazement, now I understand what you meant when you said that we've been missing a lot.
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Post by Romy Ocon on Oct 25, 2010 23:54:30 GMT
Well, I'm sure the vast majority of photos birdnuts post look very good at the display used in PP. But when that display isn't calibrated and profiled, the photo will not be seen by others in the same way as the photographer sees it.
Calibration and profiling will not produce exactly the same colors and tonalities on all devices, but it will place each display in the same ballpark.
For good print matching of tonalities, I use a white point luminance of 120 cd/m2. Most photogs use 100 - 140 cd/m2 for LCDs . Some LCD displays are delivered with a default WPL of as high as 200-300 cd/m2. If such a bright LCD is used in PP work without calibration and profiling, the photographer will try to compensate by darkening his photos so it will look good. The same photo will look very dark on calibrated and profiled displays.
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Post by Renoir Abrea on Oct 26, 2010 5:20:31 GMT
hi everyone owner of aoc if23'...were to buy? am interested...renoir
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Post by Romy Ocon on Oct 26, 2010 5:46:52 GMT
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Post by ppaaoolloo on Oct 26, 2010 5:54:20 GMT
A group buy may lower down the price some more.
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Post by Romy Ocon on Oct 26, 2010 6:23:24 GMT
A group buy may lower down the price some more. I went to PC-Express Pasong Tamo Ext. this morning to buy one for Pogito's desktop (so his games will be with the right color ;D), but they were out of stock. I asked them to check their online inventory so they can tell me which branch has some stock. No stock also in other branches! Perhaps, other photogs (not just birdnuts) have learned of this monitor's value and cleaned up the inventory? The PC Express folks promised to call me once new stocks arrive, that's fine with me as I'm not really in a hurry to get one.
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Post by mantarey on Oct 26, 2010 7:10:02 GMT
I got it from PC Options in Gilmore. I think they have several branches too.
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Post by Bobby Kintanar on Oct 26, 2010 13:43:25 GMT
Yehey, Rey got one too! Don't you just love it? The colors are much more vibrant and the tones are so impressive! I would not mind paying even more than what I paid for this thing. :-)
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Post by mantarey on Oct 26, 2010 23:54:50 GMT
Yehey, Rey got one too! Don't you just love it? The colors are much more vibrant and the tones are so impressive! I would not mind paying even more than what I paid for this thing. :-) That's true Bobby, my pictures became so alive, one of the best buying decisions I ever made for this hobby.
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Post by Renoir Abrea on Oct 27, 2010 13:54:50 GMT
hi Rey and Bobby' got one too' but i just don't know how to describe the impression from the monitor...i more than like it.
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Post by mantarey on Oct 28, 2010 0:30:32 GMT
Hi Renoir, That's great, I'm glad you like it. Hehe, I remember that after I installed it I was already raving about it for a few hours after seeing the quality of the displayed images. After awhile after reading the manual, I learned that I have not yet configured it to the highest resolution which of course was another level of enjoyment as it gave the best detailed images from the Full HD resolution.
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Post by Bobby Kintanar on Oct 28, 2010 1:47:17 GMT
Do install the software control interface - it makes monitor correction even more pleasant! Enjoy your new toy, Renoir! :-)
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Post by Renoir Abrea on Oct 28, 2010 12:30:59 GMT
hi Bobby' took a trip the the menu for some adjustment....and arrived at RGB window...may i solicit from you the numbers that you would recommend for R,G and B? renoir
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Post by Renoir Abrea on Oct 28, 2010 12:32:28 GMT
hi Bobby' took a trip to the menu for adjustment....and arrived at RGB window...may i solicit from you the numbers that you would recommend for R,G and B? renoir
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Post by Bobby Kintanar on Oct 28, 2010 13:25:32 GMT
Renoir, I'm just using the default "WARM" setting: 100 - 97 - 99. I'm not playing around with these values as yet. I may need a calibration tool to achieve pin-point accuracy. :-) Renoir, I'm just using the default "WARM" setting: 100 - 97 - 99. I'm not playing around with these values as yet. I may need a calibration tool to achieve pin-point accuracy. :-) Also, please visit this website to confirm your settings: www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/Check the "Black Level" and "White Saturation" - you should barely see the darkest square on the first test image (blacks) and then be able to discern some faint gray squares on the 253 and 254 squares on the "White Saturation" test image.
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