Plain-throated Sunbirds?

[Ramon Quisumbing]

I found these old photos I took in the Sierra Madre mountains near Baler, Aurora in October 2010 with my little digital camera.

Is this a male Plain-Throated Sunbird? Sorry for the poor quality but I only had a glimpse.


I had a much better look at this other sunbird in the same bush. I assumed it was a female Plain-Throated Sunbird, but on closer examination, it has a longer and more curved beak than the male and compared to the female PTS's in the PBPF gallery and the Oriental Bird Club gallery. ID please?

[Neon Rosell II]

Correction - The male is a plain throated the female is a different species, the eyes are not red, maybe a flaming?

The bill looks longer and more curved on the female probably due to a portion of its tongue is protruding out on the tip. And sometimes the angle of shot can make a bill longer or shorter.

[Ramon Quisumbing]

Thanks for the quick response, Neon. I was wondering if that was the female's tongue. These were lifers for me. I have not seen any PTS since then.